[identity profile] lillysghost.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] vm_rewatch
SWEET! I get to do the first post on episode 2!
So here it is guys, the famous (or infamous) Paris Hilton episode. Does anyone know if R.T created Caitlin Ford based on paris, or if it was just that her acting skills were  a little underdeveloped and her real personality shone through. Either way Caitlin bugged me.... but i don't know if thats because i have a hard time seeing Logan with anyone different
I think my favourite scene in this episode is the flashback car scene. I love Lilly's comment - " Well you know what my mom says - you have to kiss a few toads...........thats it, thats her entire philosophy." - that girl cracks me up. I also love the friendship developing between V and Wallace, i personally believe that he thawed Veronica's heart just before the frostbite set in. If he hadn't of showed up when he did i don't know if she would have cared about anything other than Lilly's murder, all the other people with problems wouldn't really have mattered to her as much . I think Wallace gave her back her sense of empathy.
I love the Weevil too, the fact that he confessed to the credit fraud even though he didn't do it to save his sweet old granny is testimony to the golden heart that hides deep within him. Its cool to watch the antagonism between Logan and him now, knowing that there was so much more going on beneath the surface there. Damn that Lilly was a lucky girl (well - She was until October 3rd any how) stuck between them two is a place I'd like to be. She can keep Logan's dad though. He was icky even before the truth came out.
The discovery of the speeding ticket is probably the most important piece of the Lilly Kane murder puzzle to be revealed in this episode and i love Veronicas anecdote about sneaking into the sheriffs office with Lilly to make fake ID's. But something about that scene bothered me.
Doesn't an ID card have to have a picture on it in America? I'm Australian and here the photo is pretty much what makes it identification. So if Veronica used Lilly's ID to get the speed camera pics, even if that woman behind the desk didn't know her as Veronica, Wouldn't she still be able to see that she wasnt Lilly? Especially if she looked at the girl in speed camera pics, then at the ID  card, and then at Veronica, shouldnt she have been like - "One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not the same" (sorry for the sesame street reference - I couldn't help myself - it just seemed soooo perfect) can some one American PLEASE tell me if ID has photos on it over there.
I tend to get stuck on little details like this and its doing my head in. Well thats it from me for now. Thanks for reading guys and keep on watching the best TV show ever!!!!!

Date: 2008-07-10 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frankdbunny.livejournal.com
IDs in the states do indeed have photos on them. I think it's implied that Veronica either doctored Lilly's ID, or that she and Lilly made fake IDs with each other's pictures for whatever reason.

I love how the key piece of evidence came from one of those red light cameras. I think of that whenever I see one of those red lights.

Date: 2008-07-10 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmicviolet.livejournal.com
I think the only reason Paris was in the episode in the first place was because Joel Silver (the producer) had done House of Wax with her and thought she'd be good in the show for whatever reason. And since it hadn't aired yet at the time it was filmed, I guess no one realized that the sort of audience VM would attract was the complete opposite of anything to do with Paris Hilton. I can't imagine Rob was too thrilled to have her, since they've made a couple jokes at her expense in subsequent episodes.
But aside from Paris, it's not a bad episode. The scene at the hotel with Keith and Veronica and the desk clerk is funny, and then there's "Are you always this persnickety?" "Sometimes I'm even persnicktier".

Date: 2008-07-10 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-wndy.livejournal.com
ha. i love that keith and veronica scene. keith was just so over-the-top. and i love Troy despite what happens later.

Date: 2008-07-10 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmicviolet.livejournal.com
I know, I liked Troy. I wish he'd stayed around longer. He did seem to genuinely like Veronica, even if he was a lying drug dealer. :P

Date: 2008-07-10 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgin.livejournal.com
I think the ID had Lilly's name and Veronica's picture, and the woman working the desk didn't look at the information about the ticket as she handed it to Veronica. (She's also pretty dense if she missed the news about the murder, which wasn't even a year gone. Almost anyone in town -- and especially in the sheriff's office -- should have thought "dead girl walking!" when they saw Lilly's name.)

Date: 2008-07-10 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marmar627.livejournal.com
Exactly what I was thinking, because I had the same question about V being able to get the ticket, but then I thought...wouldn't she have said anything about Lilly being dead?

I always felt bad for Jason, having to kiss Paris in that episode.

Date: 2008-07-10 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bemyheroin.livejournal.com
"I always felt bad for Jason, having to kiss Paris in that episode."

hahahaha! =) that is great.

Date: 2008-07-10 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] love-is-epic.livejournal.com
I remember seeing an interview with Paris about the episode and the role she plays and she said "We're supposed to be the school's 'It' couple," (referring to herself and Logan). I remember thinking, noooo.... Logan's the King and you're just a girl he happens to pass time with. Of course this is the episode where I started to feel a little empathy for Logan which only gets stronger as the series develops.

Also, I remember thinking, too, that when Veronica went to get Lilly Kane's ticket that there could be no way someone working at the sheriff's dept didn't know who she was after only a year. But hey... it's TV right? I guess I've gotta give 'em a little leeway.
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